Welcome to the struggle bubble. I'm Chad Kutting. and I am Craig Surgey We originally were not gonna record this week, right? We said Labor Day, we're traveling, there's soccer tournaments, we're not gonna do it. But you know what? We just couldn't stay away. I did get a little bit anxious this morning knowing that there may not be one drop in this week and I'm glad we said, you know what, we're gonna do it. We're in. Stephanie, if you're listening one day late, we apologize, but we're back on schedule now. We're back everyone. It's been a long weekend. Hopefully everyone had a great Labor Day weekend, but we thought it would be just the two of us this week and no interviews so we can have a quick catch up with all the listeners, but then also some banter from the weekend activities. So I'll start with you, Chad. How was, I know you had two kids in soccer tournaments. I think it was Morgan Hill, both of them. were down in Morgan Hill for both of them and we had the stars align. Usually when you're anticipating the calendar coming out, the actual game schedule from the tournament, we know that we're just gonna be split duty. I'll take first half, you take second half, we'll see where they're all lined up. This week, our first game didn't start until the afternoon, so we didn't even have to wake up early on Saturday. And then team number one played at one time and it was just, it was five straight hours of soccer. but none of the games overlap. So we were able to see both kids play the entire weekend. Unfortunately, it was the tale of two tournaments where we had one kid that had a few wins. They went to a championship game. We had the other kid who didn't win a single game and it really wasn't even close. So trying to keep the inner family dynamics, you know, as much happiness as possible. We had a few Kona ices down there to keep the, keep good vibes going. But it was an interesting weekend to have the dynamics play out the way they did, but we were able to watch every single game. Was that the twins? That was the twins. And I don't know how other families do this, but when you know you're gonna go into five, six hours of soccer games for siblings, it's 30 to 35 minutes away. We initially went in with our oldest to say, no, you're gonna go, you're gonna watch, you're gonna support your family. And then some things lined up where she had a friend that was able to hang out for the entire weekend and wanted to hang out. And we said, you know what? let's not push you through attending, but it was a bit of a mix. want all of our kids there supporting one another, but I think we took a little bit of the easy way out and I think she enjoyed her weekend a little bit more. That's cool. That's really cool. That's really cool. How was the, you know, I'm gonna win a medal and you're not, and you know, that I'm gonna just keep prodding the bear until the bear snaps. Well, you know my daughter. You've coached her a little bit. You've seen her attitude where she's a go -getter. She's not going to take no for an answer. It was actually just really proud of the way she played. Get to the medal in a second. A year ago, year and a half ago, they played a tournament where she went in goalie for the first time. And we were playing on artificial turf and there's a few goals where they would just kick right from the kickoff and try and bounce it and it would land and go over her head. and she felt that she lost the championship for her team. like developing players. Let's just go straight for going on a big kick. It's a whole separate story, a separate episode. But she thought she let her team down. She really internalized that and was dejected. She wouldn't take a photo after the game. My team doesn't want me, they don't want me here, I'm the reason they lost. And now you have a year's worth of development, new coach in the rotation. She's really just enjoying playing soccer. And they got to the championship game but did not win. It was a good game, but didn't pull it out. Did you Ricky, did you Ricky Bobby it? No, we're trying to internalize what we're saying on the struggle bubble, where it's just about having fun, let's support, unconditional support is the new theme. Yeah, no, if you're, we don't even care about the trophy. It's like, yeah, it's a good looking trophy, but that just goes in the league office anyway. Everyone's getting the same medal. But it was good, but it was hard to juggle between, yeah, she knew she was gonna get a medal, Theo knew he was not, but he also went through some mental, like, At first it was, Alexa always gets everything. And then it was a, hey, I'm just out here. I'm just going to go have fun. So he was playing goalie. He was doing cartwheels, you trying to save some shots. And at the end of the day, he got to hang out with his buddies and that's what matters. Good, good, good dude, it's good. I'm glad to hear it. It's you on the flip side, I talk about a 35 minute commute going down. You were down in San Diego, which it feels like you've touched every piece of California the past couple of weeks. yeah, close. Yeah, was a long weekend. a little bit, I'll go on the family side first. So quick shout out to the Malahan crew. It was Jim and Trish's 50th wedding anniversary and they rent, yeah, they rented a cruise ship from Alameda under the Golden Gate Bridge, like a kind of sunset cruise. And it was really cool. So. What I actually did was I was there for the start of the tournament. I left at 10 .30am. I got, I'm sorry, took the 12 .30 flight out of San Diego, got back at three. Of course there was an hour delay, thanks Southwest. We're still looking for sponsorships, Craig, don't... yeah. But I got, anyway, long story short, I got to the Alameda, we took the boat tour, it was fantastic, it was amazing. Again, appreciate everyone listens to Chad and I ramble every week, because a lot of people came up to us and say we listen and took some points out of some of the conversations we've had with people, which was fantastic. We did the tour, I got home at 11 p I took the six shout out to Britain, she took me at 5.15 a Sunday morning, yeah Sunday morning. I got back to San Diego for the 8 .30 kickoff. So it was, it was a lot. I think you deserve some kudos there too, because the, team plans these tournaments. So you select a few at the beginning of every year, you as a coach, you get some say into it, but really want the kids to be excited, the parents to be excited to participate. You see a calendar event on there for 50th wedding anniversary, which we've talked about on the show. The entire reason we're doing the struggle bubble is to highlight the, the sacrifices you need to make because you want to be there for everybody. and you say, I'm gonna be there, I'm not missing this. And that results in some early and late flights. yeah, let me pause you real quick. That was the whole thing about me getting back in the game on the professional side of it was I committed to not missing, you know, the girls dance stuff, family things, et cetera. So it was, you have no choice. I mean, you of course have a choice, but it was, you know, this is a big tournament. was Fiesta de football. I don't know how to say female in Spanish, but it's feminine something. It was really, really well organized. was Del Mar Polo Fields. They had the San Diego Wave players out there signing. So was females only, that's I was getting to with that. So they had the San Diego Wave female players signing autographs for the kids, taking photos. And then every team got a ticket to go to the San Diego Wave game against Washington Spirit. Which by the way, Washington Spirit Rodman is an absolute baller. of player. She's unbelievable, fast, skillful, powerful, everything. So that was really cool. My team two were very fortunate and won a prize draw to walk the players out. my kids got to meet, or team two got to meet Alex Morgan. Yeah, the whole thing was really cool. But it's also a really well -ran tournament as well. There was... us out there, there Saratoga as well, the All -Stars, they traveled down for it. We played in tier one against some really good Southern California opponents. So it is a little bit of a trek, but well organized, well planned. I mean, the kids, six kids on a flight home at 7 .30 PM on a Monday after being in San Diego from Friday and playing was chaos, chaos. luck to all those teachers this morning. this is where my teacher would roll the TV in in the morning and be like, here's the VHS. No, they don't. But that's what it was, yeah, it was wild. But no, it was a great tournament, long weekend, really valuable as well, I would say. I think the kids really got something out of a travel tournament, number one. Working through kind of, adverse situations like you're getting up, you're eating breakfast as a team, you're in a hotel, you maybe didn't sleep well, it's really hot down there, that cloud cover burns off, you're playing against really tough opponents, so you gotta be on your A game as well, you're doing 20 minutes, just so much into it, which I think from the life lesson of this for the kids, and now they're like, all right, so where we going next? Okay, great monster. conversation on the value of the tournaments and value of travel, right? There's a couple of schools of thought where you could just play a regular season locally. You get 15 games in and then there's some regional tournaments you go to. We talked about Tahoe tournaments. Going down to Southern California, some teams travel into Nevada, to Oregon. There's some big things. From a coach's perspective, when you see the development, you talk about the competition being greater or being more intense. How do you evaluate entering into tournaments to develop? And do you think it's suitable for all teams to travel to get these games in? Yeah, I think there's a couple of things that I think it's always good to get tested, right? I could have gone to tier two with one of my teams and probably done pretty well with it. But the concept for this whole team is we're there to get tested every single week. So we're gonna, we've done pretty well so far, right? Draws, ties, wins, et cetera. It's not the winning and losing we care about, it's the style and it's the development. I think there's a place for every team to do that depending on if it goes to that why we're here, right? The struggle bubble of like, are you going to uproot all your kids for one kid to play in a tournament in an out of state or a travel tournament? So part of the family side of it kicks in. I wouldn't say it's super important for seven, eight year olds, nine year olds, unless they really want to. And this, you know, this group did, so that was cool. But again, I go back to the point. If you really want to see the level, it's important to go get tested wherever that may be. It's also really difficult with this younger group as well because you just don't know that the year, they did a 2017 bracket as well. There's only two brackets, so it's a bit of a hodgepodge of if you're gonna, it's like the leagues at the moment until all the kids start playing. It's kind of difficult to really gauge where that is, but I saw some terrible coaching this weekend. I don't wanna talk bad about coaches. but the screaming and the shouting by some of them is, and non -informal screaming and shouting. Like if you're trying to get a message over to a player on the other side, like I can accept that, but just some of the screaming and shouting, and it's not directly the kids, sometimes it was, but a lot of it was to the referees again. Just, and I'm like, God, it's like these guys are out here doing 10, 12 games a day in 80 plus degrees heat. doing the best they can. And some of them were really good. One referee was excellent. He walked over to the parents and said, hey, see the guys in the hat over there, you're paying him to coach. You don't need to. I was like, good job. I mean, he's just an older gentleman that just seen this drama before unfold. he's like, and you know, there's some really good coaches as well. Like I played the final against a guy from Arizona. and there was a stupid handball, the ball rolled up my kid's hand and it hit her hand and whatever, but it was in a very prime position. And he's like, no dude, like, we'll just pass it back to you. Again, it was, let's just play. Like we don't need to score a goal because of more mistake or whatever. So that was really reassuring, but I go back to it and you've heard me complain about this multiple times before. It's insane that we have seven, eight year olds playing seven V seven. Like Arizona, play the team, Rail Salt Lake, Arizona in my other bracket and they were eight and he's like, this is their first seven V seven game. We do four V four all the way up to eight and then we transition them out. And he was like, it's a real tough one for them because of the size of the field, you know, all of those things. And we were just chit chat and I'm like, yeah, my opinion is four V four, probably two or about 10, honestly. Just technique on the ball and. what it just comes back to the intent. Like, why are we here? You've talked about this before, it's skill development. You really want them to be able to develop the skills. And a lot of it is, I mean, there's just a clump ball that happens sometimes where the kids are just all together, they're mushed. If you reduce the number of players, you have the same field size. It allows for the passing. And that's where we saw a tremendous amount of improvement for our kids' teams around that ball movement. They're truly learning. All right, defenders are gonna come this way, so I need to go that way. And once you start to see that click, it's huge, but the trophy at the end of the day is meaningless. I know that's, it ruffles feathers of, well, we're all here to win. There needs to be a winner, there needs to be a loser, but at this age, if they're excited to play soccer, they're excited to develop, that's the main goal. Do they wanna go to practice the next day? Do they wanna go to the next game? Do they wanna go in the backyard and impress? So that was the biggest thing I saw between the top players was, again, I talk about it all the time, you could tell these kids have played. not just with their age group, with olders, youngers, backstreet, barbecues, school, just everything around it. And it goes back to, you know, this age -old problem is it's so expensive to play sports. And there'll be a wave, right? If it's a really good kid and they can't financially do it, then there's obviously things around that they can fix that, but... it was very apparent that some of the kids we played had been playing for years and years unopposed, know, unstructured, just play, just play, play, play. Some cool things as well, just to kind of preach about it was little Jackie on my team, she won the juggling tournament. And you know, as I said this before, I told all my players they need to juggle 10 times over the summer before they come back and she's at 96. So she goes, she texts me Saturday morning. at 6 .30 a or at parents, can you bring a soccer ball over because she wants to practice before she goes to try and win this juggling championship? I mean, look, just once it's so bad. it's just, again, it's like, if we're playing 4v4, these kids would be unstoppable. Because they love it. They just practice techniques and yeah, the list goes on. But it also takes, I mean, I'll toot your horn here for a second of when you have a coach in an environment that you create that they want to be better, that it goes a long way. And to your screaming comment earlier, we've heard from multiple people over this past week that there's a new coach this year and that the style is just a little different where they're screaming to get their point across. And there's almost like the interpretation that the kids aren't doing it intentionally. They're not making that pass, they're not in position on purpose, and we're not meeting the kids where they actually are. If you're screaming at somebody and they don't want to play soccer anymore, it doesn't matter if they're in the right position or not, you gotta meet them where they are. And so many of these coaches don't have kids or don't have kids this age, so it's hard to go in and help them understand how their message is being received. Yeah, there's a huge psychological, I talked to a few parents about this, and you see when it clicks, it clicks, but there's a huge psychological aspect, I guess, that I think is missed sometimes of where everybody is on their learning curve, where, people absorb information. You hear me say it all the time to my kids, is concentration. Like, the teams we played, you slip that concentration of, delay the player on the ball, they've gone. You have to be mentally in the game the whole time. Really difficult for seven year olds. Really difficult for adults, let alone seven year olds. I thought it was interesting. We were talking with Jenna Lyons, who's going to be an upcoming guest in October, November. Just on the psychology of if a child is anxious, they are unable to learn. Scientifically proven, if they feel that anxiety and they're not in a secure position, they feel vulnerable, they are not in a position to learn. So that screaming or marching up to the kids, standing over them as an adult, it takes them down. So you could be the best X's and O's coach. But if they do not feel comfortable and secure on where they are in that field and who they are, you're never gonna get through to them. 100%, 100%, 100, I had a kid this weekend, my stomach hurts, I'm like, it's just butterflies. Like, flip it around that you feel sick and all those things. It's just butterflies, and that's okay. Like, the butterflies will fly away as we keep going. You're gonna be fine, and you know, those reassurance didn't happen again this week. Play got absolutely smashed in the face with the ball. Clearance just cracked her. So I go on. I've said this before, I go on very calm. know she's not, there's no blood, there's no, she didn't black out, anything like that. Just right on this cheek. I'm like, okay, breathe, hold your breath, count to three. All those things, just very calm and she's good to go. And it's so funny, because you see the parents running down the sideline. Like, my God. Yeah, we gotta, we what, someone call an ambulance. I'm like, easy. Easy. So it's, it is, it's all, you gotta get in that. overcoming and feeling comfortable? I tell you what, translating that into, I'm helping out with the high school team, they're older and you'd think that maturity level is going to then increase, they'll understand it, but you have to reinforce it. You have to reinforce the mentality and meet them where they are. And what we're going through right now is, Jerry Rice used to say this, I need to be willing to do the work that others won't. So tomorrow I can do things others can't. And just putting that in the bank of today I'm gonna make it worthwhile, I'm gonna do this, that's a mentality. And understanding what motivates the kid, why they're there on the field, what they wanna get out of it is almost as important and probably more important than the plays that you're drawing up or the technical talent on the field. Well, we talk about this all the time, right? It's my management, whichever way you wanna, however you wanna word that, it's how do you get the best out of somebody on the daily by talking to them, especially in the sports world. It's such a head game. And as you know, at the elite level, it's head game. It's technically, everyone's dialed in and fitness levels and all that. We can do all the science behind that, but it's getting into the kids. And how is that, by the way, the football side of it? It's JV, right? Freshman. it's the introduction and some haven't played a game of tackle football before. There's been flag football, but you're teaching. hold on, quick question about that. Flag football girls started this week, right? Flag football is fully operational here locally. So you have a varsity and JV team. I think they had 84 girls out at Los Gatos High School, which is incredible. Our girls are signed up. We got to get Chloe out there. Starts in January. Let's go. But it's great to see everybody coming out. But it just, everybody asks, whether it's the podcast, the business, the coaching, why do you do it? How do you have the energy to go do it? What's the benefit? What do you get out of it? And it's definitely not winning and losing. Sure, that feels good. But if we're able to give kids an experience that we had, help be an outlet, it's just fun to be in that environment. And it's not without its struggles. And you wanna talk about the real struggle bubble moment. We had a game down in Soquel last Thursday. ridiculous construction going on on the highway. So it took about an hour and 35 minutes to get down there. So I leave the house about four o 'clock. It's a 7 p game. I get a text message at 9 .05. Where are you? Why are you still in Soquel? The kids won't go to sleep. They're asking for you. And I'm just like, in that moment, why am I doing this? I could be home. I could be helping out. It's just that delicate balancing act of so dig into that. Yeah, dig into that, right? Because I had it this weekend. We'd not the results I, I shouldn't say thought, but not the results I felt we deserved as the games were going on. And I'm like, the kids are FaceTiming me and I'm like, shit, like, like I'm missing this. And then this is me, right? And your answer could be totally different. I'm sitting there and I'm starting to do X's and O's and I'm re processing the game and what I think and where I think players could do and what I, you know, all these things. And I'm like, okay, like I'm being, it's a game of chess all the time. I'm being challenged all the time of my quality, my levels, where I think these kids, you know, all these variations. And then every now and then I'll get a text from all players and that kind of stuff. And I'm like, okay, this is... dialing into the whys of why we do it. And then also it's cute, right? I get to the gig field on Saturday morning, the kids all run over and give me a hug and stuff. And they look at you as like a role model. Honestly, that's part of the game as well is they've got a role model in a sport that they love that maybe their parents did play or don't play. But there's a connection there that, you know, they love the game and it's partly because of the coaching, but the game and the team and et cetera. meet some of these families that if they're putting you as the role model, we have to talk to them a little bit, right? But I think you're right, that influence and finding passion is just hard to do. When I think the kids react well to somebody that is passionate about what they do, the love of the game, the love of the sport, the love of coaching shines through, they react to it. And then you see that when players are reaching out 10, 15 years later that you coach when they were kids going through college or exiting college now. Yeah, some of my old players got married. Like Jesus. you're old man. Look at the look at the beard you got going on right now. after this weekend I'm feeling very old. Everything hurts and aches. Well, once you hit 40, man, it's all downhill. That's what they say. A new study out saying that people age in bursts. So at 44 and at 60. So I, you're technically still good, but that doesn't make me feel any better because I think we told the story last week. I fell asleep in Theo's room. I tried to leave. My two knees crack, my ankles crack. He shoots up. Hey, where you going? Yeah, yeah, well, our boy Ricky did something to his back and couldn't come to games this weekend. He's in an RRH bracket, so it's coming for us. You old bugger. yeah. Well, that's all right. We're going to be okay. We're staying active enough, Yeah, we're trying. We are try I don't know. Yes, we're trying is the right word. So let's hit a little bit more though. You're doing the FaceTimes, you get home, what type of treatment did you get from the kids? Did they miss you incredibly and they were like, dad, you're here or were you just off to the side? it was kind of funny. So we all get off the plane. Kids and Britt and the dog picked me up and some of the other families there, the dog's jumping out the trunk of the car at the airport. So they were like, look at your dog. I'm like, okay, let's not hype him. So he was happy to see me, obviously. And then... initially happy and then it's like back to normal back to normal like we i did lay with scarlet last night because she wanted to lay to fall asleep with me which was nice chloe is out whatever she's whatever she's teenage years or getting there and then school this morning was like pulling teeth so it was great Well, coming out of a holiday weekend, it's always, always difficult. We've come to, we had to have a family meeting last night, Okay, like a like a proper family man proper family meeting and it started out with Jackie, our oldest, which kudos to her. She's now coming to her own on independence and if something doesn't feel right, she talks about it now. So we had, as you can imagine with everything we described, a busy weekend. We had soccer games, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, I had some friends over, we're always moving, we're always active, it's the next thing and. We haven't really realized as parents, and Austin called this out when they went to the Cape, right, the difference in how the kids felt when they were on vacation versus here. We had that one of those moments where, know, Jackie's just like, it feels like we're always stressed out. It feels like we're always yelling at one another. It feels like, in my words, we're in the struggle bubble. We're trying to get there. So we had to sit down and talk about it. You know, I don't feel good when everybody's anxious and yelling and let's get out the door. You got to get here. You got to get there. So we're going to try something. We'll keep everybody updated. We're going to try something where there's no stressful conversations. So we're going to try and take a beat. If that means we're late to school for a morning. say stressful conversations, what do mean by that? I mean the, hey, go put your shoes on. Why haven't you put your shoes on? Go get ready, brush your teeth. We're not talking about yelling and trust me, the twins are at each other's throats. They're just testing boundaries, but that's a separate type of aggression. But if you always feel anxious, and let's tie it all together what we just talked about in the field. If you're always feeling like somebody's mad at you because they're in their own mental space, right? I know that I gotta get them to your house. so that I can get the other kids to school so I can get back and get to work. You're two steps ahead of where they're at. Hey, dad, I just woke up, man. Why are you yelling at me to get out of my bed? So we're gonna try a non - yelling. We're just gonna give them the freedom. Hey, we're gonna leave in 20 minutes. And if that means we're gonna be late, that means we're gonna be late. So I think we do this as well with the intensity of all the dance stuff the kids do. Sometimes they're just so exhausted. We give them that sleep in moment. It's not often, but we can tell when that's gonna hit now, I would say. The hard part is, their little shits, like go to bed. The other thing that's being painful, this is out to all the other parents is, I keep trying to explain to them, food is fuel. Like you have to eat the right things to fuel your body because you're doing so much activity that you just burn everything off. You're just exhausted. So, Brynn got at the kids, which is really smart way of doing it, about because they keep doing their face, they're getting ready for Halloween, right? So they're doing all these different face painting and shit. Anyways, you got an, is it an esatrician? What's the, the faith? Esatician. There you go. yeah. how to spell it. A -E -S something. Don't ask me to spell. You'll spell it the British way. You put some O's and U's in there. I'm past, yeah. Yeah, exactly. So she's like, okay, we're gonna do that. And now she's like, right, we're gonna go and go see a dietician. She was like, you're ruining your faces because you're putting on all this crap. And the ascetician was like, yeah, you just need to face wash, moisturize. Yeah, dietician, nutritionist, dietician. I don't know what the... No, it's more like a don't eat shit food scenario. She was like, we're gonna go now to, they're gonna tell you what you need to eat and the amount of fluid. And I'm like, so you're taking it from that angle rather than those like, hey, sit down and eat your vegetables and blah, blah. And you know what's funny? Here's your counterpoint today. Here we go. We're on the plane. There's six kids from the ages of four to eight. I want to sit here, I want to sit there, the tears are rolling, the whole shit show. Parents, you know, I'm like, dude, I'm in the back, hood down, hat on, like, not on my time. You guys are off, we're finished. Bad tea parents. Anyway, the flight attendant comes up and they're just doing the where to put the oxygen mask and all the kids are like, and he's like, if this goes on, very calm, put it over your mouth. and you breathe. If you're crying, you can't breathe. so you need, and I'm like, damn. And then I was, yeah. And then I was thinking about Britain, like, esthetician, dietician, nutritionist, whatever the person is. I'm like, you bring a professional in, it changes the thought process. Immediately like, this is serious. I was like, all right, well played. Like I'll take that parenting advice from the air steward on Southwest of like, hey. say our kids listen to everybody except for us. And I know everybody's out there trying, if you're listening to this saying, just tell them what to do, tell them to go do that, these are the rules. But it's that balancing act again of when we send our kids off to junior high and high school, I don't want them to be in the mindset of I have to do what everybody tells me. You want them to have that independence. It just drives you nuts when they have that independence at home. dude, and I always, my biggest advice, as you've heard before, is the best parents are the ones without kids. I'm like, yeah, it's like, okay. All right, big dog. well, hey, while we... that story before though, Craig. We had really good friends that came over our house when we just had Jackie, just had our oldest. And like, are you, are you mad at us? Like, no, man, I'm not mad at you. I'm just tired. I want to go to sleep. The kid doesn't sleep. talking about that, talking to the Mullins, Angie, I'm like, how's the new puppy? She's like, my god. He just keeps waking up. Like, having a puppy is just like having a baby. was talking about Chris or the puppy. So he said, wakes up at four in the morning, he's gotta go to the bathroom. We love you Chris, we love you. But we weren't sure if the dog was behaving or if it was you. Alright, so before we head out, let's... Loads of people have asked to come on the show and I'm like, I think we're booked until November guys. So I want to give everyone a quick heads up of who we've got coming on. We don't have to give names out, but I think we're booked until November, which is fantastic. I have a little trip going back to England at the end of September for a wedding. So that'll be a great one to chat about when I'm back. I think your mom and dad should be guests on the show. Yeah, I think we have an English struggle bubble. We'll spell it differently. Strugglebubble. Yeah, that's French but... Okay, Pink Panther. and boogoo! That was French, but I can't do a British accent. We need to have our, so legitimately, Jackie has asked if her and Chloe can come on. So here's what I think we should do. I'd love to hear everybody's opinion. We're gonna have, I think it's nine straight weeks of guests, which are fantastic. And it ranges everywhere from professional to family raising. Some folks that have decided that they're fully burnt out and they're gonna take some time off. We've got some that are sending their kids off to high school. We've got a career coach coming on, have family therapists coming on, we have all angles of the struggle bubble coming. We have an Olympian coming on. We have member of the Men's National Rowing Team. Yes, it's a lot of fun that we're having. And I know some people, you mentioned this earlier, well, you guys are getting serious and we're not able to kind of give our jokes when we're talking about a serious topic like we had last week. So we're thinking of adding another shorter episode once a week where it's Craig and I, maybe the kids come on, talk a little bit about the struggles inside the family. So if you guys are interested in learning a little bit more about that or hearing from members of the family, let us know. We'll bring Brittany and Lauren back on. throw your kids in as well if they want to come on we could do a kid version Yeah, I hope that edit isn't taken out of context. Throw your kids in. Throw them in the pit. Yeah, no, no, think it's incredible we've got bookings until November. One of our guests even sent in a full resume. So you know we've really made it big when he goes in and says, hey, here are my qualifications to come on your ridiculous podcast. And I think I made a quote about that last time, like, you have our phone numbers, you can just text us or call us, you don't have to send a formal email, but we appreciate you. though, Craig, because people are coming up and it's resonating in different ways with different people. Some just the transparency, hey, this is just needed. Bring in Silas, get the conversation out in the open. Some just about starting something. We talk about starting our company, starting the podcast. It's, how? How did you just do that? You can't just create something out of thin air. And yes, you can. Yeah, yeah, you know, it's been fantastic. And again, I think anybody wants to come on, you're more than welcome. Like we can talk shit all day long. Just kind of do it for a living. But we, yeah, no, I think it's pretty, it's pretty rad that we got all the way to November time and say, we'll put my parents on when we're in the UK and the kiddos. And I think at this 20 minute one, you and I just, the life of Los Gatos dads. Ooh, there you go. Yes, will be fantastic. we, again, appreciate everyone. Any questions, fire away. You know where to find us on the DM, you know how to find us on email as Nate did, et cetera. Absolutely. Next week's episode will be Rob Ludeman, a good friend of ours and actually Craig coached Matty for a few years, about 10 years ago at this point. And now he's a high school football, high school baseball player. So it's great to talk to Rob about the transition into that high school life. And now they're looking at colleges and potentially, not potentially, pretty soon gonna be empty nesters. So a great conversation coming up. As always, you can find us on Instagram, the Struggle Bubble Pod. We would love and appreciate any follow and referral that you have. Share the story, share the content, get feedback into the system. And you know where to find Craig and I if you have any feedback on the street. If you're in the struggle, call the Bobo. Doesn't rhyme, but I like it. It does not rhyme, but you just keep doing it. Make Fetch happen. All right, adios everyone. See you next week. See you later. Thanks guys.